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Baen Books (2006), Mass Market Paperback, 597 pages
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A mysterious accident in time causes twenty-first-century American democracy to collide head-on with the Thirty Years War in seventeenth-century Germany as Mike Stearn and a group of armed miners take on a gang of strangely attired invaders who are threatening peaceful Grantville, West Virginia. Original. Freedom and Justice-American Style 1632. And in northern Germany things couldn't get much worse. Famine. Disease. Religious war laying waste the cities. Only the aristocrats remained relatively unscathed; for the peasants, death was a mercy. 2000 Things are going OK in Grantville, West Virginia, and everybody attending the wedding of Mike Stearn's sister (including the entire local chapter of the United Mine Workers of America, which Mike leads) is having a good time. Then, everything changed. When the dust settles, Mike leads a group of armed miners to find out what happened and finds the road into town is cut, as with a sword. On the other side, a scene out of Hell: a man nailed to a farmhouse door, his wife and daughter attacked by men in steel vests. Faced with this, Mike and his friends don't have to ask who to shoot. At that moment Freedom and Justice, American style, are introduced to the middle of the Thirty Years' War.… (more)
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LibraryThing member Teramis
I love alternate histories, have a great interest in the 30 Years War and all things German. Modern man displaced in time is also an engaging theme to me. This book, however, that promises these things and engages with all of these topicss, fell unfortunately short of the mark.
Perhaps it is the
Perhaps it is the lack of more significant social and personal shock on the part of the transportees. The crisis of being transposed elsewhere in time seems a bit too readily resolved; there is no collapse of the social fabric, nor does it seem to threaten under the super-manly Leadership presented by our modest Hero/s who step to the fore.
There is also the eery readiness of the 17th century locals to accept clothes, mores, and technology three centuries apart from their own. And of course there is the gun-toting, marshal-on-the-frontiers "cowboy" mentality transported out of place and time that strikes a dissonant note. I am actually rather fond of the cowboy mentality in its appropriate place; in the last decade in particular, however, this hallmark of American thinking has become iconic for American brashness in the world at large. It is a cultural attitude echoed in this book.
Perversely, Flint does a good enough job of pure storytelling that in spite of all the drawbacks I was curious enough to keep turning the page to find out what happened next. But because of those drawbacks, was put-off enough by the general tone of the story to *not go ahead and buy the rest of the series, as I had originally planned to do in a mad dash of impulse buying. If you want good alternate history, try Harry Turtledove instead.
Perhaps it is the
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readiness of the transported Americans to pick sides in their very first encounters with local violence, and the feeble rationale ofered for why their side is "right" and the other wrong. It chances that they catch one faction's militia brutalizing innocent civilians, and thus leap to the side of the innocent. But what about the same brutalization by the opposing side, which (historically, we know) was also going on at the same time? Such actions are out of sight and out of mind, in this book. They are not portrayed or considered. It is a convenient if clumsy literary device that creates polarization, sides and "conflict' from early on in the book. Effective for that purpose, but jarring from the pov of an historically knowledgeable reader.Perhaps it is the lack of more significant social and personal shock on the part of the transportees. The crisis of being transposed elsewhere in time seems a bit too readily resolved; there is no collapse of the social fabric, nor does it seem to threaten under the super-manly Leadership presented by our modest Hero/s who step to the fore.
There is also the eery readiness of the 17th century locals to accept clothes, mores, and technology three centuries apart from their own. And of course there is the gun-toting, marshal-on-the-frontiers "cowboy" mentality transported out of place and time that strikes a dissonant note. I am actually rather fond of the cowboy mentality in its appropriate place; in the last decade in particular, however, this hallmark of American thinking has become iconic for American brashness in the world at large. It is a cultural attitude echoed in this book.
Perversely, Flint does a good enough job of pure storytelling that in spite of all the drawbacks I was curious enough to keep turning the page to find out what happened next. But because of those drawbacks, was put-off enough by the general tone of the story to *not go ahead and buy the rest of the series, as I had originally planned to do in a mad dash of impulse buying. If you want good alternate history, try Harry Turtledove instead.
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LibraryThing member ex_ottoyuhr
I didn't mind the book at first, and its depiction of Appalachia is sound, but the more I read of it the more exasperated I became.
To take a vice characteristic of both sides in a conflict, and depict one side as completely innocent of that vice, and the other side as evil on account of that vice,
Nor is there a single word of the fact that Gustavus Adolphus was fighting for Sweden, not for Protestantism; or that Richelieu was fighting for France and to hurt the Habsburgs -- not for Catholicism. (He is utterly out-of-character in this novel.) The author even has the audacity to say that had Gustavus Adolphus won, Adolf Hitler would never have come to power -- but it was Adolphus, the French, and the Protestants in general who were responsible for the Westphalian system of sovereign states, in which, to use the term of a French jurist of the era, "the king can do no wrong." Which of these sounds more Hitler-friendly: a system in which the king is responsible to no man (and his subjects are taught to do his will unconditionally), or a system in which he has superiors (the Holy Roman Emperor and the Pope) who can and will depose him if he gets out of control, and in which his subordinate know that if the king orders them to do something evil, they are to resist him to the death?
The Second World War is excessively on this author's mind; so perhaps it shouldn't be surprising that his style of propaganda is familiar from it. Summarize it this way: Gustavus Adolphus gets the Josef Stalin treatment in this book, depicted as a hero because he's working on the main character's side -- after all, whoever's on the main character's side is a good guy, and good guys are not capable of doing anything wrong, by definition.
This is without even bothering to point out that the Black Legend is a flat-out lie, invented by a woman who tortured more people for death for religious reasons in her reign alone than the Spanish Inquisition did over the course of its 350-year existence.
If you want a plausible novel set in the Thirty Years' War, which doesn't arbitrarily designate villains and warp the historical record until they fit, read The Adventures of Simplicius Simplicissimus, a novel by an actual veteran of the war (and which, unlike most works of its era, is still eminently readable). Avoid this piece of dreck: it starts out plausible, entertaining, even gripping, then proceeds to go insane.
(Reposted from Amazon.com)
To take a vice characteristic of both sides in a conflict, and depict one side as completely innocent of that vice, and the other side as evil on account of that vice,
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is intellectually dishonest, and is exactly what this author does. After Westphalia, the Swedes had a reputation for being nasty to the civilian population even by the standards of the era, but there is not a word of that in this book. (We also see plenty of the evil of the Austrians' Croat light cavalry, but the Hackapells are depicted as if they were angels of the battlefield, when in reality they were as bad as the Croats or worse.)Nor is there a single word of the fact that Gustavus Adolphus was fighting for Sweden, not for Protestantism; or that Richelieu was fighting for France and to hurt the Habsburgs -- not for Catholicism. (He is utterly out-of-character in this novel.) The author even has the audacity to say that had Gustavus Adolphus won, Adolf Hitler would never have come to power -- but it was Adolphus, the French, and the Protestants in general who were responsible for the Westphalian system of sovereign states, in which, to use the term of a French jurist of the era, "the king can do no wrong." Which of these sounds more Hitler-friendly: a system in which the king is responsible to no man (and his subjects are taught to do his will unconditionally), or a system in which he has superiors (the Holy Roman Emperor and the Pope) who can and will depose him if he gets out of control, and in which his subordinate know that if the king orders them to do something evil, they are to resist him to the death?
The Second World War is excessively on this author's mind; so perhaps it shouldn't be surprising that his style of propaganda is familiar from it. Summarize it this way: Gustavus Adolphus gets the Josef Stalin treatment in this book, depicted as a hero because he's working on the main character's side -- after all, whoever's on the main character's side is a good guy, and good guys are not capable of doing anything wrong, by definition.
This is without even bothering to point out that the Black Legend is a flat-out lie, invented by a woman who tortured more people for death for religious reasons in her reign alone than the Spanish Inquisition did over the course of its 350-year existence.
If you want a plausible novel set in the Thirty Years' War, which doesn't arbitrarily designate villains and warp the historical record until they fit, read The Adventures of Simplicius Simplicissimus, a novel by an actual veteran of the war (and which, unlike most works of its era, is still eminently readable). Avoid this piece of dreck: it starts out plausible, entertaining, even gripping, then proceeds to go insane.
(Reposted from Amazon.com)
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LibraryThing member daschaich
Fun Alternate History: Eric Flint's "1632" begins with the small mining town of Grantville being ripped from modern-day West Virginia and dropped in the middle of Germany, in the year 1631. 'How?' you ask? Who cares? Flint gives some far-future science fiction explanation. Most of the town's
But the question of how Grantville comes to seventeenth century Germany is not important. All that matters is what happens once the heavily armed town finds itself thirteen years into the Thirty Years' War, one of the most destructive religious conflicts in the history of Europe. Surrounded on all sides by hostile countries and marauding armies, mere survival is the town's chief concern. Grantville's modern weapons might be - barely - sufficient to hold off the ragtag bands of looters and mercenaries roaming the countryside. But if one of the major powers striving for supremacy over Central Europe decides to crush the town, Grantville will not be able to resist them on its own.
So the residents of Grantville decide to fight fire with fire and kick off the American Revolution a century and a half ahead of schedule. Grantville's only hope of survival lies in finding allies willing to tolerate democracy and religious pluralism, while at the same time recruiting those of their new neighbors who are sick and tired of being slaughtered by their aristocrats or for their religion. The early seventeenth century, with (on the one hand) feudalism and religion discredited by bloody warfare, persecution and oppression and (on the other) modern theories of representative government and rule of law just beginning to rear their heads, offers the slim possibility that Grantville will be able to pull through.
All this makes for a fast-paced and highly entertaining story. Flint, before this book best known for military science fiction, spends a lot of time on battle scenes, but still tries to focus on the power of ideas and ordinary people to change the world. Character development is better than normal for the genre, though still not great. Some characters, especially the sinister industrialist Tom Simpson, remain one-dimensional. Flint, who got a Master's Degree in African history before spurning the ivory tower to go into union organizing, often interrupts the narrative with brief history lessons, which I personally found interesting.
Although "1632" was originally written as a stand-alone novel, it was so popular that Flint was convinced to expand the story into a full-blown alternate history series, which continues in "1633" (coauthored with David Weber) and the "Ring of Fire" anthology. This means that even though there are more volumes for those who enjoy "1632," this book still comes to a satisfying conclusion and can be read on its own, without commitment to the larger series. Those who are still uncertain should know that Baen offers the book for free on its Web site, so the curious can check it out. There's really no reason not to.
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residents conclude that the 'Ring of Fire' is simply an Act of God.But the question of how Grantville comes to seventeenth century Germany is not important. All that matters is what happens once the heavily armed town finds itself thirteen years into the Thirty Years' War, one of the most destructive religious conflicts in the history of Europe. Surrounded on all sides by hostile countries and marauding armies, mere survival is the town's chief concern. Grantville's modern weapons might be - barely - sufficient to hold off the ragtag bands of looters and mercenaries roaming the countryside. But if one of the major powers striving for supremacy over Central Europe decides to crush the town, Grantville will not be able to resist them on its own.
So the residents of Grantville decide to fight fire with fire and kick off the American Revolution a century and a half ahead of schedule. Grantville's only hope of survival lies in finding allies willing to tolerate democracy and religious pluralism, while at the same time recruiting those of their new neighbors who are sick and tired of being slaughtered by their aristocrats or for their religion. The early seventeenth century, with (on the one hand) feudalism and religion discredited by bloody warfare, persecution and oppression and (on the other) modern theories of representative government and rule of law just beginning to rear their heads, offers the slim possibility that Grantville will be able to pull through.
All this makes for a fast-paced and highly entertaining story. Flint, before this book best known for military science fiction, spends a lot of time on battle scenes, but still tries to focus on the power of ideas and ordinary people to change the world. Character development is better than normal for the genre, though still not great. Some characters, especially the sinister industrialist Tom Simpson, remain one-dimensional. Flint, who got a Master's Degree in African history before spurning the ivory tower to go into union organizing, often interrupts the narrative with brief history lessons, which I personally found interesting.
Although "1632" was originally written as a stand-alone novel, it was so popular that Flint was convinced to expand the story into a full-blown alternate history series, which continues in "1633" (coauthored with David Weber) and the "Ring of Fire" anthology. This means that even though there are more volumes for those who enjoy "1632," this book still comes to a satisfying conclusion and can be read on its own, without commitment to the larger series. Those who are still uncertain should know that Baen offers the book for free on its Web site, so the curious can check it out. There's really no reason not to.
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LibraryThing member TadAD
It's not very believable in the sense that neither the 20th century Americans nor the 17th century Europeans seems to experience much culture shock at being mixed into the others' cultures. Still, it's a quick and pleasant military science fiction book.
LibraryThing member meersan
In this fantasy of rah-rah-America libertarianism a town of West Virginian miners gets sent back to 1632 where they prove their superiority to the feudal European locals.
LibraryThing member ClytieS
This is an extremely well-executed answer to "What if something sent a whole town back to the 1600s?" It begins a gripping, realistic and intriguing series. Does it bug you when authors get their details wrong? Eric Flint gets them right. Enjoy the challenges and ingenious solutions, and come face
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to face with history in a modern context. (Baen offers this book and its successor "1633" in their Free Library: you don't get a teaser, you get the whole text.) Show Less
LibraryThing member TanyaRead
Very entertaining. If one accepts theoriginal (fantasy) premise, very plausible. Contains a lot of real (as opposed to alternative) history.
LibraryThing member TheoClarke
Great concept but the over-simplified characters let it down.
LibraryThing member sarcher
Chapter one - main character describes how energetic his sister is in bed. Chapter two - a bunch of rape. I don't think this book is for me.
LibraryThing member MSWallack
Every now and then a new series really grabs me and Eric Flint's 1632 (Ring of Fire) certainly did so. The setup is simple: A small mining town from West Virginia (circa 1999) is snatched out of time and space (don't worry about why or how, it doesn't matter) and dropped into the middle of Germany
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in 1631 in the middle of the Thirty Years War (one of the bloodiest conflicts ever). How will the Americans cope with their new surroundings and situation? How will the neighboring Germans cope with these new republicans and their strange machines and strangerer beliefs (freedom of religion?!). How will the rest of Europe respond and how will these events change history. A great idea, well told. Bravo. Highly recommended. Show Less
LibraryThing member jjmcgaffey
Read for the 99th time...I had a hard time getting into it at the beginning, precisely because I knew it so well. It was like telling myself the story rather than living it. But Eric eventually drew me in, as always. I find this book, and to some extent 1633, better than the later books in the
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series - in this one, they are more often coming up against actual events of the previous timeline (like Gustav's battles, and the one he would have died in). So what did happen at Nurnberg, without American help? My usual questions after reading an alternate history book...but I never go to find the answers... Show Less
LibraryThing member mikewick
Hate to admit it, but I couldn't force myself to finish the last 100 pages of this sci-fi historical reimagining. What would happen if a parcel of West Virginia and its inhabitants were plopped in the middle of Germany during the Thirty Year's War? Well, according to Eric Flint two things would
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happen: first, the W. Virginians would shoot a whole lot of the local people; second, they'd also marry a whole lot of them. It happened this way four of five times before I gave up. Show Less
LibraryThing member usnmm2
Not a bad story overall. Once you accept the premise that the towns people will stay calm and be willing to slaughter roving bands of mercenaries, take in refugees of the Thirty Years War. And those people don't panic and adapt to the 21 st Century.
Some of the plot twists are a little far fetched,
What made the book good is that Eric Flint stared out started as a history major. So he has a good grasp on the real history and can incorporate it into the story without boring the reader.
Some of the plot twists are a little far fetched,
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but overall I enjoyed the bookWhat made the book good is that Eric Flint stared out started as a history major. So he has a good grasp on the real history and can incorporate it into the story without boring the reader.
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LibraryThing member socialchild
What if a sphere, 6 miles in diameter, that included a small town in the hills of 21st century West Virginia was somehow transported to 17th Century Germany? How would modern American attitudes, technology, and values--especially the parts about all men are created equal, freedom of religion, and
1632 is Eric Flint's answer to this question. And it's very hard to put down. Rich detail of both the 21st century and the 17th century are woven together to make a wonderful, optimistic story. The pace is fast and if the main characters are a little too good, a little too noble, they are richly drawn and hold the readers attention. The plot is (from my own American point of view) perfectly plausible, and the leader of the American community embodies what we think we should be.
It's not a perfect SF or Alt History novel, the good guys are a little too good, and the bad guys are a little too bad; the heroism is a little to heroic and the villainy is a little too villainous. In Bahktinian reads more like an epic than a novel. And there is one storytelling technique that Flint likes to use that gets on my nerves--often times the narrator and everyone in the story knows what a character is thinking or planning and the characters react to that knowledge while the reader is left in the dark. The first few times I encountered this, I had to go back and re-read a page or two to see if I missed something. Fortunately, Flint resolves the situation fairly quickly, but it makes at least this reader feel a little foolish.
Overall, I give the book 4.5 stars, and I'd recommend it to SF, Alt. History, and 17th century European History buffs. I'm looking forward to reading the other books in the series.
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separation of Church and State--go over a 17th century Europe engulfed in the wars of the Reformation, the Holy Inquisition, and the Spanish Inquisition?1632 is Eric Flint's answer to this question. And it's very hard to put down. Rich detail of both the 21st century and the 17th century are woven together to make a wonderful, optimistic story. The pace is fast and if the main characters are a little too good, a little too noble, they are richly drawn and hold the readers attention. The plot is (from my own American point of view) perfectly plausible, and the leader of the American community embodies what we think we should be.
It's not a perfect SF or Alt History novel, the good guys are a little too good, and the bad guys are a little too bad; the heroism is a little to heroic and the villainy is a little too villainous. In Bahktinian reads more like an epic than a novel. And there is one storytelling technique that Flint likes to use that gets on my nerves--often times the narrator and everyone in the story knows what a character is thinking or planning and the characters react to that knowledge while the reader is left in the dark. The first few times I encountered this, I had to go back and re-read a page or two to see if I missed something. Fortunately, Flint resolves the situation fairly quickly, but it makes at least this reader feel a little foolish.
Overall, I give the book 4.5 stars, and I'd recommend it to SF, Alt. History, and 17th century European History buffs. I'm looking forward to reading the other books in the series.
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LibraryThing member AmberA77
A small mining town in West Virgina, Grantville, is picked up and thrown back to the time of the 100 Years War in Europe.
What I find most enjoyable about this book is the focus on the individual characters. Although it does discuss the political landscape of Europe, it mostly follows individual
There is Rebecca and her father who, at the beginning of the novel, are being chased by soldiers planning to kill them and worse because they are jewish. Their reaction at being saved and taken into Grantville, where there are jewish people living, is very touching.
There is Mike Stearns, a man who left Grantville when he was younger, but who has now returned and is the head of the miner's union. He reluctantly takes charge of the situation because the miners are the only large group of organized people.
There are these characters and more, and it is fascinating to see what decisions they make, and also to see the people and places that we know from history mentioned along the way.
What I find most enjoyable about this book is the focus on the individual characters. Although it does discuss the political landscape of Europe, it mostly follows individual
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people and how they deal with the problems they now face.There is Rebecca and her father who, at the beginning of the novel, are being chased by soldiers planning to kill them and worse because they are jewish. Their reaction at being saved and taken into Grantville, where there are jewish people living, is very touching.
There is Mike Stearns, a man who left Grantville when he was younger, but who has now returned and is the head of the miner's union. He reluctantly takes charge of the situation because the miners are the only large group of organized people.
There are these characters and more, and it is fascinating to see what decisions they make, and also to see the people and places that we know from history mentioned along the way.
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LibraryThing member ServusLibri
An interesting piece of alternative history, yet still a fairly well crafted story. The other books available in the series add to its value, this is the 'start here' book.
The plot is based on one science fiction option, aliens displace a West Virginia mining and rural town of 2000 into the Thirty
The plot is based on one science fiction option, aliens displace a West Virginia mining and rural town of 2000 into the Thirty
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Years War west central Europe. The comparison on modern with 17th century technology, politics, religion, and attitudes is fascinating and makes up for any shortcomings (few) in plot or character development. Show Less
LibraryThing member EileenWYSIWYG
This book irked me - it just seemed contrived and the juxtaposition of West Virginia and Europe just didn't mesh for me. I like fantasy. I like historical fiction. I did not like this book.
LibraryThing member Mendoza
OK - the author is not the best one out there - but he sure writes a fun novel. I like some of the trashiness/rawness of the characters and I especially liked some of the minute details of the towns people adjusting to the time period and lack of modern conveniences.
I really enjoy his stories -
I really enjoy his stories -
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LibraryThing member joelrees
1632 is the start of the 1632verse, in which the town of Granville, West Virgina is sent back to the year 1631 in central Germany. They proceed to import democracy to the Swedish King and to the rest of Europe, changing the face of the world.
LibraryThing member tcgardner
I am not a huge Alt. Hist. fan but I really loved this book.
Due to some artistry gone bad, extraterrestrials have moved a piece of West Virginia to 1633 central/north Germany right in the middle of the 30 years war.
Well written. The characters were great and the action satisfying. I'd recommend to
Due to some artistry gone bad, extraterrestrials have moved a piece of West Virginia to 1633 central/north Germany right in the middle of the 30 years war.
Well written. The characters were great and the action satisfying. I'd recommend to
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LibraryThing member morriss003
1632 is one of Flint's best works. His theme that a community in trouble must not let go of their values is inspiring. His concept of a down to earth, West Virginia town, transported back in time to Thuringia, Germany is entertaining, humorous and exciting. A few of his characters suffer from being
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two dimensional, but his collaboration with David Weber in 1633 corrects that. If you are into optimism, you will not be disappointed. Show Less
LibraryThing member jediphil683
Flint's not the world's strongest writer, but he certainly isn't among the weakest. Like Lethem, I think he lets his idea carry him (and his breadth of knowledge about the 30 Years' War) more than he should, but again, it's a good idea. His characterization is excellent, and since he got me to
I'm still not sure how I feel about establishing the USA (in name and practice) in an alternate time, though. Feels a bit too easy to me.
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care, I happily came along for the ride.I'm still not sure how I feel about establishing the USA (in name and practice) in an alternate time, though. Feels a bit too easy to me.
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LibraryThing member whiteknight50
This was an enjoyable book, well written and full of action. An enjoyable read for those who like alternate history combined with military action.
LibraryThing member MarysGirl
An alternate history. From the back:
"1632. And in northern Germany things couldn't get much worse. Famine. Disease. Religious war laying waste the cities. Only the aristocrats remained relatively unscathed; for the peasants, death was a mercy.
2000. Things are going OK in Grantville, West Virginia
THEN EVERYTHING CHANGED...
When the dust settles, Mike leads a group of armed miners to find out what happened and finds the road into the town is cut, as with a sword. On the other side, a scene out of Hell: a man nailed to a farmhouse door, his wife and daughter attacked by men in steel vests. Faced with this, Mike and his friends don't have to ask who to shoot. At that moment Freedom and Justice, American style, are introduced to the middle of the Thirty Year's War."
My review:
A gripping action tale, kept me intrigued. The history is well-researched and an integral part of the story. My main beef is with the characters. As is typical of this kind of book, the good guys are very very good and the bad guys are very very bad. There seems to be little depth. But it doesn't affect the plot driven story much. You just go with the flow and enjoy the flag waving.
"1632. And in northern Germany things couldn't get much worse. Famine. Disease. Religious war laying waste the cities. Only the aristocrats remained relatively unscathed; for the peasants, death was a mercy.
2000. Things are going OK in Grantville, West Virginia
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and everybody attending the wedding of Mike Stearn's sister (including the entire local chapter of the United Mine Workers of America which Mike leads) is having a good time.THEN EVERYTHING CHANGED...
When the dust settles, Mike leads a group of armed miners to find out what happened and finds the road into the town is cut, as with a sword. On the other side, a scene out of Hell: a man nailed to a farmhouse door, his wife and daughter attacked by men in steel vests. Faced with this, Mike and his friends don't have to ask who to shoot. At that moment Freedom and Justice, American style, are introduced to the middle of the Thirty Year's War."
My review:
A gripping action tale, kept me intrigued. The history is well-researched and an integral part of the story. My main beef is with the characters. As is typical of this kind of book, the good guys are very very good and the bad guys are very very bad. There seems to be little depth. But it doesn't affect the plot driven story much. You just go with the flow and enjoy the flag waving.
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LibraryThing member dswaddell
A very deep and engrossing book about a modern West Virginia coal town which is transported back to 1632.
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Awards
Eliot Rosewater Indiana High School Book Award (Nominee — 2007)
Original publication date
2000
Physical description
597 p.; 6.7 inches
ISBN
1416532811 / 9781416532811